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Tired of Team Tension? Try This Leadership Conflict Resolution System

• Dr. William Attaway • Season 3 • Episode 112

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Team tension rarely starts loud—but left unaddressed, it will quietly stall momentum, drain energy, and cost you real money. I’ve seen it happen in fast-scaling digital agencies more times than I can count. In this episode, I’m joined by Greg Stephens—executive coach, bestselling author, and founder of Alignment Resources—who’s spent 25+ years helping leaders master the one thing most avoid: hard conversations.

Greg shares how leadership conflict resolution isn’t about theory—it’s a repeatable system that transforms how your team performs, how you lead under pressure, and how you recover trust when it's been eroded. If you’re scaling past 7-figures and noticing communication breakdowns, bottlenecks, or culture cracks, this is the system worth learning.

You’ll hear real-world breakthroughs—from executive teams and plant managers to family businesses—and walk away with actionable insight to lead better conversations, faster decisions, and stronger alignment.



📚 Books Mentioned

  • Awareness by Anthony de Mello

  • The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz

  • Greenlights by Matthew McConaughey

  • 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership by Jim Dethmer, Diana Chapman, Kaley Warner Klemp

  • Crucial Conversations by Patterson, Grenny, McMillan, Switzler

  • Crucial Accountability by Patterson, Grenny, McMillan, Switzler

  • Crucial Influence by Patterson, Grenny, McMillan, Switzler

  • Do You Take Your Own Advice? by Anidio Mahal



To learn more from Greg or explore his leadership conflict resolution programs, visit alignment-resources.com or connect with him directly at greg@alignment-resources.com. Check out his book, Build New Bridges, and his upcoming podcast A Spiritual Peace.



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Dr. William Attaway:

I'm excited today to have Greg Stevens on the podcast. Greg holds a degree from Baylor University and is a best-selling author, keynote speaker, executive coach, communication consultant, professional mediator, master trainer, certified behavioral analyst and two-time podcaster. His new book Build New Bridges the Art of Restoring Impossible Relationships has helped people around the world to repair relationships they once thought were beyond repair. Greg has over 28 years of practical business experience and has worked with numerous Fortune 500 companies and national organizations across every industry and service category. Greg, I'm so glad you're here. Thanks for being on the show.

Intro:

William, thanks so much for having me. It's a real honor to be here. I appreciate it. Welcome to Catalytic Leadership, the podcast designed to help leaders intentionally grow and thrive. Here is your host, author and leadership and executive coach, Dr William Attaway.

Dr. William Attaway:

I would love to start, Greg, with you sharing some of your story with our listeners, particularly around your journey and development as a leader. How'd this all get started?

Greg Stephens:

as a leader. How'd this all get started? That's a great question. I never looked to do what I'm doing today Teaching leadership programs, even being an executive coach none of that was in my sights as I was growing up. I wanted to be in sales. I enjoyed sales. I didn't really know when I started Baylor what I wanted to do, but I ended up selling cemetery property door to door in Houston, texas, to put myself through Baylor because I was on my own at 17. And I learned in eight weeks. I actually paid for an entire year at Baylor doing that, oh my goodness. And I learned to get cussed out every day. But I also. When I finished that summer I was really bulletproof in a lot of ways. But I never expected to be doing this work, one of the things my company would do.

Greg Stephens:

I worked for a pharmaceutical company for 13 years and when I started working for them, they would pay for me to take any type of courses, traditional and non-traditional. So I thought I've just put myself through four years of college where I paid for it, I'm going to get something back. So for 12 of those 13 years I took classes in sociology, psychology, human development, human behavior, human potential, traditional, non-traditional anything I could do and I engaged with a course called the Forum, with Landmark Forum, with a group called Landmark Education, and that really changed my life and it put me on a trajectory of having integrity in my life, taking responsibility where I hadn't, and I ended up running into a life coach that I ended up hiring and I was actually outgrowing my business and I was looking at an acting career and I'm inside and had an agent, had done some plays and things here in Austin. And one day with my life coach, I said I love it when I'm on stage, I love that moment. But I said the rest of it doesn't call to me like I thought it would. But one of the things I found is when you start shooting for a target around doing something different, the right thing shows up for you and it doesn't happen sitting on the couch wishing or wishing something would change. You've got to get out and do something.

Greg Stephens:

And me getting out and finding an acting coach, finding an agent, getting out doing plays and ads and things like that actually propelled me into finding something. And I came to my life coach. I just said this just doesn't call to me. He said have you ever thought about doing what I do coaching and training and he taught a man-woman relationship class and I loved it and I said, no, I've never thought about doing this. And he said, well, think about it. About a week later I came back I said, well, what should I do? And he said, well, there's this new thing you can take online. But he said, I believe in doing a true apprenticeship. So I ended up working for about two, two and a half years actually coaching for free, producing courses for him. He was teaching me in leadership and I did free coaching and he helped and coached me along the way. And I did all that while keeping my own business and not keeping my business, but actually working for the pharmaceutical company. So I was doing all of this on the side. So you can imagine I was really busy.

Greg Stephens:

And then, about two and a half years later, I went out on my own and just jumped off and I found leadership is really to be a leader, you need followers. That's the true definition. If you have followers, you're a leader and you can lead from anywhere you are. But I learned to look for my vision and go where I needed to go, and people just started showing up. Of course, I went out and beat the bushes trying to get people in my courses and do those things. But I found the most powerful thing is that the best clients for me show up, the people who really need leadership skills. Show up, the people who and I specialize in an area where I teach people how to have the hardest conversations of their life and I teach them in a six-month period to do that for the rest of their life so many people will take courses. So many people will take courses, and I taught Crucial Conversations as a master trainer, as a hired consultant with Crucial Learning for 24 years, taught that class everywhere. It's one of the best training classes anyone could ever take. But what I found was leaders were coming out saying that was the best class and then two months later they're not using it. Well, you have to have an application and it takes time. You don't bake a lasagna. You don't bake lasagna in five minutes. It takes time to do that. And so now what I'm doing.

Greg Stephens:

After I wrote my book, I stepped out on my own to actually help people.

Greg Stephens:

I stepped out on my own to actually help people.

Greg Stephens:

I found it's about a 20-week process.

Greg Stephens:

I've created a process using different materials, but in 20 weeks I teach people how to have the conversations they continually typically avoid or handle poorly, and I teach them in 20 weeks how to lean into them, how to actually apply the skills, how to manage their emotions, how to address the emotions of others, how to create psychological safety in the moment, how to listen properly, how to under, actually investigate and find the underlying issues when accountability is not there, how to do all that and build the relationship at the same time. So it takes time to do that and we don't throw people in on the deep end at first. We actually walk them out there and the process is really amazing to watch people have breakthroughs about self-awareness and how they've been showing up in these conversations. Typically, leaders come in and they think they do pretty well at these because they've risen to a certain level and they've done certain things really well. But what we've found these skills that I'm teaching most people don't have. Less than 2% of people I run into are really good at this.

Dr. William Attaway:

I remember about 25 years ago hearing Joseph Grenny talk about Crucial Conversations.

Greg Stephens:

He is awesome.

Dr. William Attaway:

Yeah, my goodness, what a powerful thing that was for me to hear somebody address that, and I'll tell you so many of the people who come to me and hire me to help them. It's around having difficult conversations. It's around learning this. When I met you and heard what you're doing and the book that you've written, I was like okay, this is a phenomenal resource. Here's a six-month program that can help people seriously dive deep on this. This is absolutely. This is something I think we should be teaching in kindergarten, like how to have difficult conversations, because it will serve you in every area of your life for the rest of your life. Yet I find people in their forties, fifties and beyond who have never learned this skill.

Greg Stephens:

Absolutely, and that's one of the reasons we've just started a program, a leadership program for, and we're marketing toward the parents or grandparents of kids who are 21 to 28 years old. Maybe they're a senior in college or maybe doing a gap year, or maybe they're early on the first one to five years in their career, and what we're teaching them now in the leadership program are other leadership pieces, but also these conversational pieces, to actually become better at having them. Because what we typically find is we're going to be teaching the next generation of leaders what this generation of leaders are having problems with and we want to make sure we prepare them. And you know I love working with all my clients but, as you know, there's a different energy that comes with different levels of leadership. You have early leaders, emerging leaders. There is a openness to really try new things and typically, when I'm working with executives, I'm working with those executives who are lifelong leaders, those who typically aren't, but there's a lot of them. They aren't coachable and I know how to do it. None of us does it alone. As John Maxwell says, we need others to help lift us up and early on, we feel like that will be helpful to teach leaders early on to reach out, to have these conversations, to lean in.

Greg Stephens:

I believe Nitro boosts their career and their life because the side effect is also interesting, because they start having conversations with their parents they've never had, wow yeah, and so it really helps across their entire life. Because we think we compartmentalize our life but we bring our home life to work and our work life home and you're a whole person and we're split many different ways in our attention and we're distracted in many ways. But what if one of the biggest distractions I find are people who have been avoiding conversations? And it's such an energy drain but most of us have tolerated it so long. We don't understand what that drain really is. My friend, dan Mormon, said it's like barnacles on a ship A couple don't matter, but all of a sudden you look at a ship that's been out there a while. It has tons of barnacles. It needs some time to shave those off and then you can really move if you have that ability.

Dr. William Attaway:

That's really good. I think of so many relationships of clients that I've worked with and even in my own journey that I think, wow, that was kind of beyond repair. And when I saw your book and how you describe it as helping people repair relationships they once thought were beyond repair, I thought, oh, this is going to be a good read. Can you talk a little bit about the book and why you wrote it and what you've seen so far, as people have begun to read and apply it?

Greg Stephens:

Yeah, um, and after teaching Crucial Conversations. When I first started teaching Crucial Conversations, it wasn't even called Crucial Conversations. They hadn't written a book yet. I was working and I took it. It was called Path to Dialogue. Then it became Dialogue Smarts. I took it when it was Path to Dialogue and before they wrote the book and I used it and it started changing everything.

Greg Stephens:

So I worked, did a train the trainer, became a trainer in it, and as I started training, I thought I want to be the type of leader that practices what I teach and I thought how can I show my participants that I've really done this, rather than speaking from theory? All that's really good, but I wanted to have an experience. So I had a crazy idea. I like to play games in my life with myself, and so I said let's go clean up all your past relationships that are muddy. Well, if I was walking down a hall and I saw someone about to walk toward me and I would rather take a different hallway to get to my office, that was a relationship I needed to clean up. I wanted to be able to look everyone in the eye with confidence and know that I've done my part, and I had a list of 36 different people and it took me nearly two and a half years and some of those conversations were one and done and one person I had to go back to seven different times.

Greg Stephens:

So there's no perfection in what we're talking about. And some people say, well, are you good friends of those people? Well, some of those relationships were renewed, still friends today, others just completed. That's another thing. Sometimes completion doesn't mean you don't see another person yet, there's just nothing there. But some of those people I've never seen and people say, well, what was it?

Greg Stephens:

One of the things I've also found is, many times, if we want to clean up a relationship, it's bugging us. It may not be anything that other person needs to say. I never spoke my truth to that person in a respectful way. I didn't come across as my best and several of the conversations, william, I just said, hey, you probably never knew this was going on, but I needed to say this to get it off my chest. This is not about you, this is about me. I'm sorry I held this against you for this long. I just needed to get it out. It was amazing to watch the connection that happens when you're honest and respectful with someone, because I wasn't trying to get anything from them.

Greg Stephens:

I was doing this exercise to be able to stand in front of people with an experience rather than a theory about it, and so in the book I talk about some of those stories, some of those, and I begin the book with my most difficult story, my relationship with my father. But that was my very last crucial conversation that I had on that list of 36. And I walked people through other people that I've coached through the last 25 years about the relationships. People who walked in and said there's no way this will work, but I'll try it and come out the other side with just something beautiful.

Greg Stephens:

Also, I'm a professional mediator and most people think mediation in terms of lawyers and what you're doing in a divorce can do that.

Greg Stephens:

But I've focused my mediation on intact teams that need to move forward or families or family businesses that actually need to clean things up and move forward, because there's so many times in these teams we're holding on to the past and I use quotes in my master team programs each week.

Greg Stephens:

A new one, and one that came up recently, was don't trip over something behind you, and that's what most teams are doing they're tripping over the things behind them in the past. But what I've also found is many times we can't let go of that past until we speak it and complete it. It holds within us and when it holds in something in there, when you bury something, it doesn't just stay there, it actually grows. When you bury something, it doesn't just stay there, it actually grows. But what we want to do, when I speak it, I put it out into light, where actually everything that's negative about it can be washed away or burned off and I can actually start with something new with that that is beautiful, and I can only imagine the number of stories that you have watched.

Dr. William Attaway:

That did seem hopeless. Oh that something new was born.

Greg Stephens:

Yeah, it's interesting. I go to a networking program and one of the things they say is give us a case study of someone you've helped, and every week I try to have a different, completely different story and it shows up. I have two or three stories every week that people are telling me I never thought this was doable or this is a real breakdown right now. That's one of the things I talk to people in our programs. We talk about breakdowns and breakthroughs. Most of us want a breakthrough, but you have to have a breakdown always precedes a breakthrough, Always and you do not get to have a breakthrough until there's conflict. So when you start to see conflict, I see it differently now. I used to run from conflict. I'll be honest, William. My initial reaction is I don't want to do that. But now I'm looking on the other side. Rather than looking at the conflict, I'm looking at the result. I can get through this conflict. That's where my breakthrough lives, and Marcus Aurelius said the obstacle becomes the way. That's it. But most of us are beating around the bush. We're avoiding that conflict. When you avoid it, it stays with you. There's another quote I have Most of us are beating around the bush. We're avoiding that conflict. When you avoid it, it stays with you. There's another quote I have Pain is inevitable, Suffering is optional, so you're going to have the pain.

Greg Stephens:

Most people put these conversations off, for you know, oh, I want to put it off. They put it out. Let's say you put it off a month. Well, what you've just traded is probably 15 to 20 minutes of uncomfortableness for a month of being uncomfortable. And guess what? You still have to have that 15 to 20 minutes of uncomfortableness. It's going to happen.

Greg Stephens:

I'd rather do it now, but most of us don't understand emotional accounting. That's what I call it. If you looked at a spreadsheet, I can have it now or have it in a month. What's it going to? This is an investment now, because guess what If I have it now, that next month my mind is open for creativity, for connection, for healing, for all of that? If I put it off, it gets even more rotten. It's more difficult to have it a month later. But most people don't do it because they don't know how, Because all the rah-rah in the world oh go, do this If you don't know how, you're probably going to blunder it up at least 50% of the time. And with relationships. We don't want to do that.

Dr. William Attaway:

Well, the advantage of engaging someone like you is that they can take a shortcut. They can go farther and get there faster. Yeah, that's it, because you've walked so many people through this that you can help them to navigate those waters. You know, we often say that growth only happens on the other side of change. Right, but we resist change. We want growth, but we resist change. The same thing is true with conflict, and I love the way you phrase that. I love emotional accounting. What a great concept. I think that's something that our listeners are going to really resonate with and I hope that's going to cause some reflection. It certainly will with me.

Greg Stephens:

Well, it's interesting.

Greg Stephens:

I have a gentleman in one of my classes. He said, greg, something I never imagined. He said I'm having all these conversations I've been putting off and he said what I found is there's money on the other side of them in business. He said every time I've dealt with them it's created a relationship where it's actually creating more abundance and it's just it's overflowing for him now. Because when you get through that, you know if you're talking thinking business. Put a dollar sign on it.

Greg Stephens:

I had a gentleman who's head of a large plant and when he first came to me of a large plant, and when he first came to me great guy, I could just tell and it was interesting. I asked him a couple of questions and I could tell he was really good at what he did. But the people in his plant said, oh, he's a tyrant and just couldn't stand him. And the CEO, who actually and this gentleman was the head of the plant, the CEO had me work with him and he came back and said I talked with him. I said, well, tell me about your worst boss ever. And he said, oh, he was a tyrant and everything. And I said, well, tell me about your best boss. He said oh, he's this. I said good news is you're like your best boss, thanks. And the good news is you're like your best boss, thanks. And bad news is you're like your worst boss. What do you mean? No, I'm not. Yeah, you are. And he said here's the words that were talked to me about before we came in that people believe you're a tyrant. They use that exact word. He was shocked and I said let's talk about this and one of the things we talked about what respect looks like to him. And respect look like if you don't speak up and speak your mind, that feels disrespectful. Okay, but how many people want to speak their mind to their boss? They're fearful to. And so each time he was blind to how he came across, because if you feel like you're being disrespected, your behavior shows up a different way. You raise your voice and you don't see, you roll your eyes. You do a lot of different things you don't mean to do because you feel disrespected. But what if you started changing all of that? And it was interesting because in the program you go and have different conversations. People at first they're hesitant, it feels awkward, they don't know how, but by the end they're just it's like anything when you first try something you've never done before. It's awkward.

Greg Stephens:

But it was interesting because their plant had a breakdown while he was actually at a different area of the world and he said he came to the next master team. He said you're not going to believe what happened. I said what's that? He said oh my gosh. He said the two guys that have been my biggest naysayers. I depend on them, but they fight with each other. They fight with me, he said, but over the last four months things have been changing since we talked.

Greg Stephens:

He said this breakdown probably should have closed the plant for a couple of days. He said it ended up closing for a couple of hours because these guys jumped into action, worked together, did everything they needed to and then reported it to me. I didn't even need to worry about it. He said it saved us several million dollars. Just that one thing. He said I'm so proud of them. They've really changed. And I said you know why? He said well, I've been having conversations with them. I said it's not the conversations, it's because their leader. You have changed. That's right.

Greg Stephens:

And it was interesting because the director of HR, when we came in to have the meeting, the final meeting with the CEO, him and the director of HR. She was the biggest worrier and I knew her well and she's a straight shooter. She's a kind person and she sat there and she didn't say anything the whole meeting. And then the CEO said well, I've seen a lot of change. This has been really good. And I said well, what do you think? And she looked at me. She goes.

Greg Stephens:

I have to say I didn't know change could happen this fast In all my years. She said you've just worked with one person Six months ago, when you walked in that plant, no one wanted to be there. Now the entire culture has changed. And she said I had I've never seen this before. She said we've done all types. But here's the thing he was a true leader. He didn't like how he came across and it's interesting because this week I just got an email from him. I stopped working about four months ago. I just got an email that said things are going great. I just want to check in. Thanks so much, but he knows how to do it. That's my goal. I don't keep people for I believe people always need coaching, but my specialty I just need them for six months.

Dr. William Attaway:

Wow, yeah, that's so good man. Yeah, let's talk about you for a minute. You have to lead at a higher level today than you did five years ago. Yeah, and that same thing is going to be true five years from now. How do you stay on top of your game? How do you level?

Greg Stephens:

up with the new leadership skills that your clients, your team, your business are going to need you to have in the years to come. Well, I'm constantly. First thing, I'm constantly reading. I've always said readers, leaders are readers. I'm constantly reading, and not emails and stuff. I have to read a lot of those more than I care. I read all the time. What books have you dove into? And that's another thing. I use my time as best I can. So now I listen to auto. I have an audible account.

Greg Stephens:

I listen to books constantly and I try to apply what I've learned. That's the biggest thing. It's not just the knowledge, it's the application, because if I'm coaching, I need to be able to see how difficult this is. When I'm asking people in my programs, I give them exercises. I've done these exercises for many years. Guess what I do it with them. Still, that's good. I get my boots on the ground. I've got to be there. I try to skill up in different areas. I mean, before COVID I'd learned to be, I'd become certified to train virtually, but then COVID and I didn't do much, but I'd done some. But then COVID hit and I got really good because, in essence, everything went to virtual. I had to learn. I learned to take on things new.

Greg Stephens:

I always thought why do a podcast? Well, I think there's a positive message. You know, podcasting, speaking in front of groups, are very different than training or coaching someone. One of the things I constantly ask leaders to do what are you trying new for yourself? Not just how are you leading there? I think everything you're doing has a component of leadership, because you feel awkward when you're doing something new at first. You need to never forget that when you're leading people, you need to understand.

Greg Stephens:

We're here to guide them, and I teach a mentoring program and most people think, oh, here's the mentor and here's the mentee, and the idea is that a mentee should always be the one generating the relationship. I disagree. I think it's the mentor. How difficult is it? Because the mentee feels like they're intruding or something like that, and so I consider a mentorship is I've just gone through the woods with a machete and I've cleared the way. My goal it was small way my goal is to get that next person not who's coming behind me up to work with me, maybe ahead of me, whatever that may be. I'd love for them to surpass me, but get them to when they get up there to do the same. All of a sudden, rather than just having a small pathway, we've got an eight-lane highway because we have so many people going through. That that's leadership is handing it down, having compassion, teaching others, constantly teaching, because you're constantly learning.

Dr. William Attaway:

So good. I could not possibly agree more. I love that answer. So in the reading that you do and the books that you've read through, is there any that stand out in your mind? One, that's just man. This one's made a difference in my journey that you'd recommend to the leaders who are listening.

Greg Stephens:

Yeah, I'm going to give you about five, okay.

Dr. William Attaway:

Go for it, cause.

Greg Stephens:

I, I, I think, and they're all varied. Okay, they're all varied because I believe you're a whole person. You need to look. One of my staples is a book called awareness by Anthony DeMello, and he passed away in 1985. The book reads a little different because it's re. It was written after he passed away from his lectures, but if you listen to it on Audible, I encourage people to do that because Audible are the actual lectures that they pulled it from, so you get to hear him do that. But he passed away in 1985. His teachings are still relevant.

Greg Stephens:

The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz is a great foundational book, simple to get people engaged. And here's one out of left field. Most people wouldn't think for leadership, but I love Matthew McConaughey and his book Greenlights is about his life and if you get a chance, don't read it, listen to it, because it's like having Matthew McConaughey at dinner. It's like having Matthew McConaughey at dinner, but he talks about the positive message, what to do, all the different things that come into your life, and he does it with great stories. So people who aren't typically want to read a book like that. They probably listen to a Matthew McConaughey book that entertains, and edutainment is what I would call it Nice. I like it. And another book is the 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership. When I read that book I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. You know, it put everything I've been teaching the last 25 years into one book and I was so happy I didn't have to write it book. So happy I didn't have to write it. So I have all my. That's one of the first books. When I'm teaching my classes, of course, I asked them to read my book on relationships, but it's one of the books also, of course, crucial Conversations, crucial Accountability, crucial Influence. They teach you how to have these conversations and how to influence. So those are kind of some core conversational books that I have and I also a new book that I think is important.

Greg Stephens:

My friend, anidio Mahal, wrote a book Do you Take your Own Advice, and all it is. And all it is. It's 30 or 31 little snippets about people he met and he got. He got. He lays out their advice. Then on the next page he has two questions for you to fill in and you write your own advice that you would. He asked the question what would you say to yourself for this? You write it through.

Greg Stephens:

Well, I did that. I took one a day. Take me less than five minutes a day. At the end of it I took it on a trip with me and I pulled it out and I was talking to a friend. I go and I read it to him. It's like it was my book on advice and my friend was like, just writing, oh, this is excellent. I was like just writing, oh, this is excellent. I was like, wow, his book became my book. So if you want to find out your wisdom because just writing it I didn't. I never looked back at it till weeks later when I pulled it out, but it becomes your book, your advice, and you'll be amazed at the wisdom that you have for yourself because you have your answers. No one else does.

Dr. William Attaway:

Greg, I could talk to you for another hour, I swear. Like every time we talk I learn something, and this has been no exception, and I'm sure our listeners feel the same. I'm so grateful for you investing the time to be here today and share so freely with our listeners. I know they're gonna wanna stay connected to you and continue to learn more from you and about what you do. What's the best way for them to do that?

Greg Stephens:

Yeah, just go to my website, alignment-resourcescom, and my email is the same greg at alignment-resourcescom, or my business partner, noah Bouton. Noah at alignment-resourcescom, don't forget that dash in the middle. That's probably the best. We have podcasts and some other things as well, and I'm actually launching a new podcast this summer called A Spiritual Peace, and it's going to be all my guests from my Shot of Inspiration podcast. It's going to be their spiritual message to the world and it's really interesting because everyone has so many different ones. It's not based in any typical religion or spiritual concept. It's for each individual to share that. So those are some of the things I'm trying to do.

Dr. William Attaway:

If, listeners, you have not gotten Greg's book yet, during the course of this conversation, there's going to be a link in the show notes for you to do that. I'm going to highly encourage this, because restoring impossible relationships, these conversations that we need to have in order to be able to move forward and not trip over our past, love that. This is something that we all need to work on and develop and then to begin to share with other people. Greg, thank you for writing this and for sharing this today.

Greg Stephens:

William, thank you for having me on the show and the listeners. Thank you so much. Keep listening, please.

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