How To Build Thought Leadership In A New Strategy With Kelly Schuknecht

Most entrepreneurs don’t realize they’re accidentally building a job instead of a business. The difference? Intentionality.

In this episode, I sit down with Kelly Schuknecht, marketing strategist and founder of Two Mile High Marketing, to discuss how thought leadership strategy can transform your brand and your business. Kelly shares how speaking engagements, podcast interviews, and content creation help entrepreneurs position themselves as industry leaders—and why so many professionals struggle to implement these strategies effectively.

We also dive into the challenges of leadership, remote team culture, and work-life balance—and how Kelly ensures she’s building a business she loves instead of one that runs her life. Plus, she reveals the morning routine and personal development strategies that help her stay on top of her game.

If you’re ready to stop playing small and start showing up as a recognized expert in your field, this episode is a must-listen.

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Kelly Schuknecht is a powerhouse when it comes to thought leadership and strategic marketing. If you're ready to elevate your brand, grow your presence, and leverage speaking and podcasting opportunities, connect with Kelly on LinkedIn or visit TwoMileHighMarketing.com to learn how she can help you make a lasting impact.

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Visit scalewithstability.com to grab your ticket—I hope to see you there!

Chapters

• 0:00 From Leader to Entrepreneur
• 3:14 Creating a Culture of Respect
• 7:05 Avoiding the ‘Just a Job’ Trap
• 11:12 Thought Leadership as a Growth Strategy
• 18:25 The Power of Networking and Relationships
• 24:21 Leveling Up as a Leader
• 30:11 Next Steps & Final Takeaways

Transcript

Dr. William Attaway: 0:37

I'm so excited today to have Kelly Schuchnecht on the podcast. Kelly is a marketing strategist and thought leadership expert with nearly two decades of experience helping entrepreneurs and professionals elevate their brands. She's the founder of Two Mile High Marketing, where she works with businesses to refine their messaging, grow their visibility and create impactful marketing strategies. She's also the host of Beyond the Bestseller, a podcast that empowers women to share their stories and build thriving platforms. Kelly's passionate about empowering women in leadership, advocating for remote work and helping others find clarity and confidence in their professional journeys. Kelly, I'm so glad you're here. Thanks for being on the show.

Kelly Schuknecht: 1:26

Thanks for having me on. That was such a great introduction. I loved it.

Dr. William Attaway: 1:29

It's all about you. Well, let's dive in.

Intro/Outro: 1:35

Welcome to Catalytic Leadership, the podcast designed to help leaders intentionally grow and thrive. Here is your host author and leadership and executive coach, dr William Attaway.

Dr. William Attaway: 1:52

Hey, I would love for you to share a little bit of your story with our listeners, particularly around your journey and your development as a leader. How did you get started?

Kelly Schuknecht: 2:04

Great question. So you mentioned my company. I founded my company last year, Two Mile High Marketing, I mean kind of by accident. That sounds wrong, but I had never seen myself as an entrepreneur, never seen myself as somebody to build a company right. I always saw myself as a leader. I had always been in leadership roles in my career but when I had the opportunity to start my own company, it really made me reflect on the things that I felt like were done well and the things that I thought could be improved upon in my experiences. Well said, yeah, well said.

Kelly Schuknecht: 2:46

Choosing my words by sleep yeah, I mean, you just learn from other people's styles yeah sure it was horrible in my career, but just, uh, you know, I think I kind of leaned into why I was a good leader and why I had grown such a great team in my job and then wanted to translate that to the company that I created and yeah, so that's kind of my path into the leadership I'm going to say phase that I'm in now. I know that our careers just are constantly evolving. So you know, that's where I am now with developing that team and creating the culture that that I want to intentionally build.

Dr. William Attaway: 3:26

So, as you think about that and I want to talk about culture for a minute, because you're at a very great stage, you know, in the first year, to really start driving down the markers of where you want your culture to be Now, there's no such thing as a wasted experience, and you alluded to that a minute ago. Sometimes you learn what you want to do and what to do, and sometimes you learn what not to do, and both can be incredibly valuable. What are some of the markers that you want to drop down for the culture of your company?

Kelly Schuknecht: 3:54

That's a great question. So I haven't gotten to the point yet of creating, you know, that like the core values for the company, but I have them rolling around in my brain, you know, as as I'm growing, I'm thinking about the things that are important to me, and you know, one of those being respect. That was the word that came to me. As you know, I work remotely. I've always worked, basically always worked remotely, so my team members are remote and some of the experiences I've had have involved, you know, would just say like lack of respect for people's time when you work remotely or lack of respect for people's own approach to things. Like it's important to me that people have autonomy in their work, that their time and their schedule is respected, that we respect each other in you know the way we treat each other.

Kelly Schuknecht: 4:42

I mean, it sounds like to me that just sounds like almost just like common sense, but that is not the experience I've had. You know you're you're in this space all the time, so you know that's maybe not common sense, but yeah, I mean I just I have had great work experiences and also all of those things that drove me crazy as an employee. I'm intentionally working to create an environment that does not exist like that. So yeah, so, besides respect, I mean, you know I mentioned autonomy. You know I don't know. I still don't have my head totally around exactly what those values are going to be, but I know that it's important to set those and to be intentional about the culture that I create. So it's something that I'm thinking about now, with just four of us on the team, but that I want to be the case when we have 40 people on the team. You know that I want to make sure that we are establishing a strong foundation for the future of the company.

Dr. William Attaway: 5:38

I wish common sense were common. Unfortunately, my experience has been that that is not always the case. I heard it said one time, and I love this quote common sense is not a flower that is planted in every garden, and I think that's true. Something ourselves and for the entrepreneurs who are listening, who can say hey, you know, what do I want to do differently. I've watched way too many people over the decades that I have been coaching leaders. I've watched way too many people start their own thing and all they end up doing is creating a job. They're creating the very thing they left Unintentionally perhaps, but it's all they know, because they're not intentional about designing the life they want to live, the business they want to lead. When I talk about that, about designing something intentionally and purposefully what does that feel like as you are at the beginning of your journey? Like, what are you designing intentionally as far as the business and the life that you want as far as the business and the life that you want.

Kelly Schuknecht: 6:46

I would say, at this stage it is very hard to think that way, because right now you're just, I feel like I'm just, you know, getting through each day and each week and being open to everything that's coming my way, right, and so it's just like but I have had that feeling over the last couple of weeks where I've said to myself like okay, you've grown really fast, you're in a great place, now it's time to make sure that you know I didn't have this wording. But now that what you're saying like I don't want to create that job for myself, I want to. I do want to be intentional about that. You know how I design the company, the lifestyle that I'm creating, and not just be kind of, you know, tied down by everything that's going on. So you know, I'm not really I am able to do it, but right now I'm just like I said, like in this, like just chaos phase of like everything. I mean, it's a good problem to have, because I'm really lucky that I have been able to grow incredibly fast, but also it's trying to dig my way out to go okay, now, what does the future look like? What does six months from now look like? What does the year from now look like?

Kelly Schuknecht: 7:49

I think you know, before I left my job, I was talking to a lot of people and just exploring, you know, what the future was going to hold for me, and I remember talking with kind of a consultant at the time who was asking me what are the things that are important to me and what are the things that I that I want to have in my, that I want to be able to do with my life Right?

Kelly Schuknecht: 8:10

And I think that exercise was really good for me, because now I start looking ahead and thinking.

Kelly Schuknecht: 8:15

Like you know, I want to make sure that I have the time blocked off for the things that are important to me, things for my family, when we, when kids are out of school, taking vacations and making time for I'm a runner in the summer I want to make sure I have time to run and so just making sure that I am creating the schedule that I want.

Kelly Schuknecht: 8:35

And then also you know I mentioned the kind of the values that I have for other people is that, as I build a team, I don't want to treat those people like their time is not as important as mine, and so I want to have that culture where everybody feels like they can do the things that, um, that they love and enjoy and build their work schedule around that. Um, I know that's easier, easier said than done, or like you know that I don't know kind of what we tend to fall into, is this like I need this, now do it. You know I'm the boss right, but like I think the more that we can plan ahead and be thinking of creating that space in our work time and our schedules, that we can make that possible. But again, I keep coming back to the word intentionality that you know it has to be intentional and that it doesn't happen unless you're thinking about it and making that happen through that intentionality.

Dr. William Attaway: 9:30

And I love the others centric approach to what you're describing. You know, for your team. You know I want something for them that's better than maybe what they've experienced in the past and certainly better than what you've experienced. And so you know you've always got that in mind, like how am I doing creating something for them that gives them that sense of freedom, that sense of ownership, that sense of agency in their lives, just like I want in mine? I think that's great leadership and I hope that the folks who are listening understand that and hear that and will consider adopting that themselves. If all you're focused on is yourself, that's not leadership. That's something else. Right? It's when you think about the people on your team and you say, hey, am I serving them just like I think about serving my clients? Am I helping them to build something, just like I'm helping my clients? That's great leadership in my perspective.

Kelly Schuknecht: 10:23

Dr Justin Marchegiani. Yeah, one of the things that you know, carry these experiences with you over time, you know, and one of the things that my husband and I to this day joke about was years and years ago, in a role that I had the owners of the company. They were. They built a lifestyle business where they were, you know, they were going on vacations quite often and traveling and doing the things they want to do vacations quite often and traveling and doing the things they want to do Great, they own the company. They could choose to do what they wanted, Right.

Kelly Schuknecht: 10:52

But I was a young mom at the time and a lot of what I would hear would be well, we really need to get this from you sooner rather than later, because we're going, leaving on Friday for a cruise around the world for two weeks, right, and and so I would you know I'd have a day planned where I was like, oh, I was going to take that day off, but I guess I'm not now because they need this thing for me sooner rather than later. But it happened over and over and over again and we wish. Now we just laugh, we look back and we're like I, just I again. It's like that, that experience that I had, that it's like you know, it's implanted in my brain Like I will not treat people that way. Their time is just as important as my time is Absolutely.

Dr. William Attaway: 11:29

And I love that perspective. I think that's so healthy. Yeah, let's talk about the services that you provide for a minute, what your company does. You talk about thought leadership and this is something that you speak about. You coach clients on. You help them to see the value of. Why do you believe thought leadership is so important for entrepreneurs, for professionals, for business owners today?

Kelly Schuknecht: 11:54

Yeah, well, I've seen it work. So I think that's the most concise answer I can give. In my career, I have been kind of the support person for people who have done that type of marketing going out and speaking, writing a book, building their LinkedIn platform, doing podcast interviews, all of those things and I really, you know, I talked about intentionality and then I'm going to say I feel like I accidentally came upon kind of that niche in my world where I had been that person doing that within my company and then when I went out on my own, I decided, you know, I'm going to lean into this. This is the thing that I'm somewhat known for among my professional network. I built a team. We did this type of marketing really well, and so I decided, you know, I'm just going to fully lead into this and basically create a service line where we're doing that type of providing that type of service for CEOs and entrepreneurs. So again, it comes back to you know, I've seen it work. Now, the clients that we have. You know they're coming to me because they know that they it's actually a variety of reasons, it's not. So when I say it works right, it's like what does that mean? So some of them know that when they go out and speak, if they can reach their target audience, it's going to turn into leads for their business. Great Like that's the simplest A to Z. But some of them want to use that. Use those opportunities, their podcast interviews, their speaking events that they're doing to kind of establish their presence online. So it's not just about going out and getting business from the events, but it's people are seeing their activity on LinkedIn and going gosh, this person really knows what they're talking about, right, and so it just establishes that expertise in their industry. And then other people just really wanna get out there and maybe hone their skills, like they know they should be speaking they are a CEO but they don't have much of a presence. They just want to get out there, network, practice their messaging. You know it's so really it's been. The clients that we've gotten so far have been a variety of different reasons why they want to speak. But I think that doing that as a leader, as a business owner, really helps you just again like build that presence, build that platform and become known in your space.

Kelly Schuknecht: 14:16

One of the professionals that we worked with at one point was kind of towards the end of his career and he was saying you know, I really want to leave this legacy for my company. I want to help bring this, these services, to this, this area. It was law firms. He wanted to be the person to kind of, you know, become known for being a thought leader in that space. He had worked with a lot of clients that were law clients and he knew it pretty well and just really wanted to kind of build that revenue stream for the company. He wasn't an owner, but he was part of the company and it was important to him and so we helped him.

Kelly Schuknecht: 14:49

He was, you know, in his early sixties, had almost no online presence. We helped him. We helped him write. I mean, he had, you know, linkedin presence, but like there wasn't much there, right. So we helped him really develop that. We helped him write a book, we helped him get those speaking engagements and also just cut some partnerships in the law space. And after about a year and a half he was going out and he said he'd go to an event and people would go oh, you're the guy with that book, and they would recognize him, they would know who he was. And you know, it was just like the perfect story of just like this is exactly why we do what we do. It helped him start bringing in leads for the company and start accomplishing exactly what he had set out to do.

Dr. William Attaway: 15:27

I love that. You know, I see more and more people beginning to step into this, but so many of them do not know how to do it and they're floundering and they try this and that, and they throw spaghetti at that wall and then some more at that wall, just trying to figure out what sticks. And this is what you do.

Kelly Schuknecht: 15:49

You come alongside them and you help them know exactly what the next step is. Yeah, exactly, and we you know. So it doesn't matter what industry they're in, we look for what are those opportunities to get in front of their target audience. And so that can look different for the industry. For you know, we have one client who wants to get in front of small groups. We have another client who wants to get in front of big groups, right, so it just it's a matter of finding the right audience for what you want to do and then we put it all together.

Kelly Schuknecht: 16:15

So it's not just getting speaking events but it's also doing the LinkedIn posting so that anyone, when we're applying for speaking events for them, the LinkedIn posts, if somebody looks at their LinkedIn, they can see that established presence. It really helps elevate them as a leader in their field. And then we do the podcast interviews also because those are a little bit of an easier lift for most people to get their messaging down. They can hop on a call. It's an hour of their time, maybe once a week or so, but just really helps them build their network, helps them build some content that they can use online or that we can use for them and then again establish their platform. So we kind can use for them and then again establish their platform. So we kind of use those three pillars and we bring those together to create that platform.

Dr. William Attaway: 16:57

So say, somebody's listening and they're like, ok, I need to do this, this is where I need to go. What's the first step?

Kelly Schuknecht: 17:06

Give me a call, reach out to me.

Dr. William Attaway: 17:08

Excellent answer step.

Kelly Schuknecht: 17:15

Give me a call, reach out to me. Excellent answer yeah Well. So I mean, I guess there's two answers to that question, right? So for one, they can reach out to me and we can talk about how I can help them. For two, if they want to do it themselves, I mean they can. Absolutely.

Kelly Schuknecht: 17:25

The benefit in hiring us is that takes that effort off of their plate, right? Because the LinkedIn posting, you know sure that only takes a little bit of your time every day. Granted, it's like one of my checklist items every day, right, and it's hard to get to for yourself when you're, when you have clients that you're working with and a job and things that you're doing. So that part, you know, can be easy. Podcast, interview scheduling and stuff also can be easy, but it's time consuming, it's a lot of communication back and forth.

Kelly Schuknecht: 17:54

It's scheduling, it's some podcasts want to get a bunch of information from you up front, right. So there's just that heavy lift of providing that information and then the speaking event, outreach. That's also. It can be time consuming All of those things. Though, if those are the again, like, those are the three things we focus on, if that's something that you want to do, it's put that, set that time aside to spend the time doing the research and the outreach and doing all of that, or I go back to reach out to us and you provide resources, like you know, for people wherever they are in this journey, like your podcast, right, yes, how does that help people?

Kelly Schuknecht: 18:34

Yeah, so my podcast I was one of the early things when I first started my company. So I have a background in publishing and I also just I have a heart for women in the workplace because I have always been a woman in the workplace. And my very first episode I kind of about I explain the why behind my podcast. But when I first started the podcast, my, my goal was to help inspire women in the workplace. But and the way that I was kind of bringing my worlds together was I wanted to focus on women who had written a book and it's a nonfiction book that they're either inspiring other women or their. Their goal is to get some sort of message out into the world, right? So you know, I've had just a variety of different types of books, but all of them, to me, are really inspiring. You know their personal growth type books. You know books to learn, you know how to be better in the workplace or be inspired in some way.

Kelly Schuknecht: 19:35

So I, you know, I wanted to bring these women on to feature their books and and and then turns out they're all thought leaders in their space as well, right? So I am elevating them in what they're doing. There's really nothing. There's nothing else. I'm getting out of it. They're not um, you know, it's really just to to network with these women and to help, uh, them get their book out into the world. Ever since I was in publishing, I still have kind of a community. I have a following of people who you know have followed my blog post for the last oh gosh since 2010 or so, and you know those who are following me on different social media platforms, and so to me, that was kind of like the easiest place for me again to just lean into this place where people were looking to me for books or information about books, and I wanted to help women get their messages out there. So that's why I created Beyond the Bestseller and that's the focus of that podcast.

Dr. William Attaway: 20:36

I love that and I think it just it goes along with the theme that I hear in your journey, which is, you know, not just about you, it's about how do I equip and empower and enable other people to take their next step. Whether it's your team members, whether it's your clients, it doesn't matter. You want to help them, and the podcast is a way that you're able to do that, to have a conduit of sharing what you've learned.

Kelly Schuknecht: 22:09

Yeah. And I've discovered some really great books along the way as well.

Dr. William Attaway: 22:12

There you go, yeah, thinking about like your journey at this point, and the people who are listening are, you know, at different stages and different places in their business and their leadership journey. I'm curious, like how important has networking and building relationships with other people been in your story and building relationships with other people been?

Kelly Schuknecht: 22:32

in your story. So I love this question because it's been it's made all of the difference in the world. So when I when I left my publishing job by choice in 2017, I realized that I had almost no network at all.

Kelly Schuknecht: 22:54

I had been with the company for 10 years. I had worked from home that entire time and the company I like to call it it was like an introverted company. We didn't do anything outside of the company, we didn't go to events, there was just no networking. And so when I left there, I don't know, I just I started, I think, just networking, just because I enjoyed it. I found that I enjoyed it Right, and so I started going to conferences. I started just just I, you know, I put that message out there into the world that like hey, I'm, you know, looking at like what's next for me, and I had so many people who are reaching out to me. I had people who they just they knew me, they knew who I was, what I had done. I had built you know what Cal Newport talks about in his book so Good, they Can't Ignore you that I had built that career capital where you know there was. Just so it was. You know, the combination of the network and also the experience that I had. But those two things made all of the difference in the world. I was able to build my business seemingly overnight, over the holidays. I mean, I have had just so much success in the last few months and it's all been because of the network I had built.

Kelly Schuknecht: 24:13

Some of the clients I brought on didn't know me before, but some of them did, one of them, in fact.

Kelly Schuknecht: 24:17

I love this. I had met him eight years ago at an event before I was even in my last job, and then he happens to be part of an organization that I'm a part of now because, as I started my agency, I decided to join the Bureau of Digital and I joined that. They had a local meetup. I went and he was there. We were just chit-chatting like hey, here's what I have going on right now, and a week later he became another client for me. So I mean, that network was just like I had met him eight years ago. We'd always kept in touch on LinkedIn, but you just never know when somebody Not that you should network with the intention of you know building your clients, but but but the you know the idea of how can I help you, how can you help me, you know, and how can we just help each other as we grow together. So to me it was made all the difference in the world in my, in my building, my business.

Dr. William Attaway: 25:08

So good. So your team, your clients, your business is going to need you to lead at a higher level today than you had to lead at five years ago working for somebody else. And five years from now, that same thing is going to be true You're going to have to lead at a higher level. Your team, your clients are going to expect and demand that of you. How do you stay on top of your game? How do you level up with the new leadership skills that they are going to need you to have in the days ahead?

Kelly Schuknecht: 25:39

Well, again, great question. And again I'm in that space of like, I've got to figure this out pretty quickly or I'm going to bury myself and be a horrible leader and horrible person in general. But you know, one of the things that I set out to do I've always dabbled in, like Miracle Morning and, you know, having that morning practice. I have struggled with it for various reasons, but I really got it together in January this year. I reflected on what wasn't going well for me, figured out what to do that was going to work for me, anyway. So I've been doing that.

Kelly Schuknecht: 26:10

I start my day every day with getting up, doing my version of the Miracle Morning practice, which is, you know, a series of things but movement, journaling, reading all of those things right and having some intention for the day, and so that's. You know. One of the things I think that's really made a difference is I get my mind in a good place right away in the morning. I think the other thing is I'm constantly reflecting on why am I feeling this way. Like, so I will have days where at the end of the day, one of my team members laughs at me when I say this. But, like, at the end of the day, I just want to lay on the floor and like stare at the ceiling because I'm just like, oh my gosh, what just happened? Right? When I have a crazy day now she'll say like this is going to be one of those days where you lay on the ground. At the end of the day I'm like yep, um.

Kelly Schuknecht: 26:56

But whenever I get in that space, I go what, what just happened? Like, and I look at my day and I look at what do I need to adjust going forward, um, you know, if I've had too many meetings back to back, if I have, um, you know, just long day or whatever is coming up that is causing me that like feeling of just like something has got to change, then I adjust that going forward and I'm very rigid with my schedule and making sure that I am just in control of that, so it doesn't take control of me. So I think that that's one of the ways that that I am making sure that I am showing up as the best version of myself every day and that that's what they're getting from. Like I said, doesn't happen every day. There's days where things happen and I realize something got off the rails, you know, but then I make sure that I'm intentional about fixing that going forward.

Dr. William Attaway: 27:49

Well, not to use the word, that has been the theme of our conversation. I love the intentionality of that, because I think you are choosing like. This is how I want to begin, and it's not perfect because none of us are Right, but this is the intention, and if you hit it more often than you don't, you get to bear the fruit of it more often than you don't.

Kelly Schuknecht: 28:11

Yeah.

Dr. William Attaway: 28:11

I love that. So you're a continual learner. You're constantly there. You've referred to several books in our conversation so far. Is there a book that you would recommend to the leaders who are listening? Hey, if you haven't read this, you need to check this.

Kelly Schuknecht: 28:26

Well, I have a bunch of them, but to keep it short, I will give you this one Personality Isn't Permanent, by Dr Benjamin Hardy. I read that since several years since I read that, but that was a book that for me, I feel like, was life changing because it pushed me. I think it was probably it pushed me I mean, again, this was years ago, long before I even knew I was going to start a company but I think it probably pushed me in the direction of ending up where I am now in starting the company because it pushed me to do things that I maybe had thought were not my personality or that people had told me that's not like you.

Kelly Schuknecht: 29:06

And I started, you know, just pushing myself to do things that I was like. I don't necessarily know why I'm doing this, it's not for something, for some result, like it's a one of one of those things, eventually was like doing video content and pushing myself to speak, because those were things that did not come easily for me.

Kelly Schuknecht: 29:25

that I, you know I really have horrible stage fright, but I was like I'm going to push myself to do things that, even though I think that that's not, it's not me to do, that, I I'm going to try it Right.

Kelly Schuknecht: 29:38

And so I did things that I never would have done before. And again, I think it's not like that book told me to start a company, but it just like led me down this path of exploring different things and just knowing that, like, I'm going to build this presence online even though it feels uncomfortable for me, and I'm going to put myself out there, even though, you know, the first few times I do it I'm like sweating through my shirt and I have artist beating in my throat, like you know. But and now you can see, I'm pretty comfortable now because I've done it a lot, but I this was not how I felt the first time I did a podcast interview, so anyway, I that's when I would recommend that anyone in leadership or anyone in really any professional environment who wants to get better in whatever way that is for them, that they should check that book out.

Dr. William Attaway: 30:23

So good. This has just been such a fantastic conversation, kelly, I'm so grateful for your time and for your willingness to share so authentically from your experience so far. I can't wait to see what's next for you and your new company.

Kelly Schuknecht: 30:37

Me too, thank you.

Dr. William Attaway: 30:39

I know our listeners are going to want to stay connected to you and continue to learn more from you and about what you're doing and how you can help them. What is the best way for them to do that?

Kelly Schuknecht: 30:50

Yeah, so LinkedIn is probably the best place to connect with me. So it's my name and you will probably put that in the show notes because it's the easiest name to spell.

Kelly Schuknecht: 31:00

And then also you can find the company at twomilehighmarketingcom and I'll give you just a really quick background of that. Where that name came from is that you know that Denver is the mile high city. I live in Leadville, colorado, which is two miles high. So that is what was the inspiration for the company name, which, yeah, I know I probably have to explain that every time, so I will soon have some information on my website to explain that. But anyways, so two mile high marketingcom and also kelly schugnickcom for my, my personal blog and kind of all the book stuff.

Dr. William Attaway: 31:37

Brilliant. We will have all those links in the show notes. Great Kelly, thank you again.

Kelly Schuknecht: 31:43

Thank you. Thanks so much for having me on.

Dr. William Attaway: 31:44

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Dr. William Attaway: 32:21

My goal is to put this into the hands of as many leaders as possible. This book captures principles that I've learned in 20 plus years of coaching leaders in the entrepreneurial space, in business government, of coaching leaders in the entrepreneurial space in business government, nonprofits, education and the local church. You can also connect with me on LinkedIn to keep up with what I'm currently learning and thinking about. And if you're ready to take a next step with a coach to help you intentionally grow and thrive as a leader, I'd be honored to help you. Just go to catalyticleadershipnet to book a call with me. Stay tuned for our next episode next week. Until then, as always, leaders choose to be catalytic.

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